Bison
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General. M. Bison.
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Post by Bison on Feb 15, 2016 14:53:23 GMT
I think that we have become rather alienated from the community and that we should take a new approach to FOnline. We can do this a few ways and one of them is taking a step back from flaming on the forums.
Another way is to stop killing scrubs and focus our attention on RT operations, TC, Reno, Glow ect. The community as a whole enjoy fighting with The Khans but we do lack a sense of nobility. The Khans are an old faction and we should act like it.
I am not saying we heal the wasteland but that we just concentrate on what is important.
You can listen to me or ignore this but I think it'll be a better way to proceed with our future. One last thing, might be a good idea to be more selective on recruitment and get some more RT players.
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Sven
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Post by Sven on Feb 15, 2016 15:04:11 GMT
I intend to silently show our enemies that we are not to be messed with in the RT game.
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Gimper
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Post by Gimper on Feb 15, 2016 15:15:39 GMT
I completely agree about the forum flaming. I'm so sick of this childish nonsense.... I haven't been participating in this whining and raging, and I encourage everyone else to think about it too.
BUT, about killing scrubs... Really man? STOP killing scrubs? That's nonsense. That's one of our minor duties as raiders.
I do agree that we should focus on getting better in PvP, and yes, stop all this random recruitment. But that doesn't mean that we have to stop doing what we enjoy.
So my final opinion, yes. Stop recruitment for a while, slow down on PKing (maybe), and focus and train in PvP with lots of hinkly practice.
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Dr. Mengelito
Khan Raider 
Raiding for Newton!
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Feb 15, 2016 15:45:13 GMT
A couple of good points and wise words.
"I think that we have become rather alienated from the community and that we should take a new approach to FOnline."
Was this not the point the whole time? To raid the community and grief it with havoc and sorrow? It's kinda what we do.
1) Stop flaming on the forums
Definately agree.
2) More RT PVP activities
Definately agree. What else is there to reloaded these days? When we did team pvp aswell as RT griefing yesterday we pulled of some hillarious things. So we have alternatives now depending on how many we have online. Sven primarily but also myself will be putting effort into this.
3) Stop recruiting scrubs
Definately agree. We've gotten a couple of damn good brothers out of what, 200-300 scrubs? Our core besides oldtimers are reloaded veterans and THIS point is where we have been spending most of our time. I've personally tried to establish this point on multiple occasions but it's never taken root as per tradition the recruitment at gunpoint tradition lives on strongly, however as important as traditions are, to many scrubs simply makes the core fuck off as everyone hates fucking scrubs, god damn fucking scrubs. Which brings us to the final point!
4) Stop killing scrubs
What!? They need to die!! I see all the other points completely valid and agree it's definately the way forward but destroying the weak and griefing is what we are all about. I'd rather change games completely than stray that far from the core values just to please the what 30 or so other players on Reloaded? A Raider hunts down the weak and raids settlements, a.i. killing scrubs and raping bases. Dirty, Mean, and most importantly RUDE.
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Bison
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General. M. Bison.
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Post by Bison on Feb 15, 2016 16:08:13 GMT
Actually we don't often gain anything from killing blues apart from some light entertainment but ultimately they will become compatant players who will want to join a faction. You'll find that a lot of the newer decent players are put off from joining.
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Gimper
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Post by Gimper on Feb 15, 2016 16:16:47 GMT
Actually we don't often gain anything from killing blues apart from some light entertainment but ultimately they will become compatant players who will want to join a faction. You'll find that a lot of the newer decent players are put off from joining. Newer decent players? Players have at least one entire session of experience before they become "decent". Lol My point being... Who cares about them? We should be pouring our focus into our group NOW. Not the group that we MIGHT get in the distant future. I agree with 3 out of 4 points you made. Killing scrubs is the least of our worries. It's just a time-passer. |
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Bison
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General. M. Bison.
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Post by Bison on Feb 15, 2016 16:30:40 GMT
Hinkley is a good place, I'm always there and often alone. It should be mandatory training.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 16:43:43 GMT
I am with Bison on this 100%.
For us to progress and for us to be taken seriously and attract people to join us, yea we should hold back .
Bison is right the way we are acting is putting off people from joining us, except complete noobs who last for 2 weeks max and never be seen again.
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Spawn
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Long Live Bungo!
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Post by Spawn on Feb 15, 2016 16:59:52 GMT
I remember when I had to beg people to take towns and it would just be me nina and lone taking towns at 3 am. This faction has grown alot since then and are a highly successful faction in rt pvp now. If we just get our current recruits train and build on our core skills we WILL be the leading pvp force. I somewhat agree with the recruitment issue because I have always agreed with quality over quantity. Look at the russians and old mod. 5v9 or 3v6 and they still take out most of them and sometimes ever win/won. Just my tidbit of retard opinion.
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Cannon
Khan Raider
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Post by Cannon on Feb 15, 2016 17:28:26 GMT
I've started a PvP quickstart guide that I'll share when it is completed. It covers everything from PvP readiness to some of the very basics during combat. It will likely be followed by more in-depth guides if there is demand for it. A couple of thoughts I had on our recruitment process -- It seems people can join relatively easily. 1 TB trap and they've got 10 screens, then a week later they've already got their pledges. It might be more effective if we mandate that kills need to be done solo and blue-suit scrubs don't count (although I am still for the purging of blue suit scrubs from the wastes). We could also introduce a minimum waiting period. My logic is that those that are serious about joining the Khans would be willing to sit through a probationary period. They can still join in all Khan activities but wouldn't be Khans in name or have access to the base. I can't see anyone being offended or deterred by that unless their sole plan was to base rape us.. Anyway, just a few thoughts. I'll be on in a couple hours for PvP ust need to run a few errands  |
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Gargantua
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Tyranny, Terror, and lawless violence
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 15, 2016 18:05:16 GMT
Great conversation about future direction; one I am glad to see.
It's important to remember who we are, where we've come from, and why we're here; when discussing where we go next.
It's true we have always been alienated in this community since our arrival. We have always been the outsider. We do our own things our own way, and aside from our few recruited veterans, we've have had to fight from the outside in from the very beginning; against groups and a community who have been playing the game together for years.
Our primary opponents are literally the core group of game developers and community veterans.
#1) I agree with a change in the forum warring. although it's been Khan heritage from the very beginning (2000) to be boisterous, rude, and belligerent on the forums; we've shifted from thought-provoking propaganda campaigns; to outright shit talk; all of which was mostly at my effort and behest; so for that I take responsibility. This is ended.
#2) RT PVP activity has increased, and will continue to do so; but I agree we should shift from wasteland patrols to Glow/Reno/WH Patrols; and double down on our efforts to pump up RT engagements. Every Khan loves the patrol, it's the baseline of what we do. I commit to stepping it up.
#4) As a general rule, I try to recruit scrubs instead of killing them. If they refuse, then they are killed. Better a soldier for than a soldier against. We've had many successful recruits from this method; If more Khans followed this route, and allowed random scrubs to live ON THE CONDITION that they have registered on our forums; We would still keep our player hunting namesake, honor, AND end up with more recruits.
#3) Stopping recruitment is a bad idea. Even with an open door, training, and great people coming in, we still struggle to put up the numbers against SW/UV swarm on a regular basis. And lets be honest, swarm is the game; and most if not all veterans are spoken for already. The only way to recruit veterans is to make our faction appealing when their own crumbles. UV is almost there, and a shift to RT/away from Forum warring will both take some time. So there aren't many available veterans anytime soon.
If we don't continue to recruit, we will simply end up with less and less players in the TS. Less patrols, and less people working under the Khan flag. That's not going to get us where we want to be.
Think about all the recruits you've seen in the last 60 days. Now apply a restricted recruitment process and remove any of them who were considered "scrubs" at some point in that time. we'd have HALF the active members we have now, and no build-up of potential.
The Khanscription process works; and Khanscription is the life-blood of the Khans, however frustrating it can be. True scrubs wash out. And lets be honest, the primary person pushing Khanscripts into the door is me; and I haven't been doing much of it in the last 2-3 weeks. The recruitment ban has essentially already been in place for that time and it doesn't work. Frustration with our strength is as much a lack of skillsets, as it is a lack of new Khanscripts. We talk about members having a hard time winning with double the numbers. Our odds sure as hell aren't going to improve if we go in even; and especially if we don't even have khanscripts to Train.
This all goes back to the beginning. Remember, we have always been the outsiders in reloaded; and we've built a faction of predominantly new community members.
Never forget that we're all volunteers too; and life comes and takes people; often our best; if not to say the million other types of electronic entertainment.
BOTTOM LINE Lets keep doing what we do well. Lets Reorganize and commit to what we need to improve Lets shift our focus as discussed; and be loud about it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:18:45 GMT
Great conversation about future direction; one I am glad to see.
It's important to remember who we are, where we've come from, and why we're here; when discussing where we go next.
It's true we have always been alienated in this community since our arrival. We have always been the outsider. We do our own things our own way, and aside from our few recruited veterans, we've have had to fight from the outside in from the very beginning; against groups and a community who have been playing the game together for years.
Our primary opponents are literally the core group of game developers and community veterans.
#1) I agree with a change in the forum warring. although it's been Khan heritage from the very beginning (2000) to be boisterous, rude, and belligerent on the forums; we've shifted from thought-provoking propaganda campaigns; to outright shit talk; all of which was mostly at my effort and behest; so for that I take responsibility. This is ended.
#2) RT PVP activity has increased, and will continue to do so; but I agree we should shift from wasteland patrols to Glow/Reno/WH Patrols; and double down on our efforts to pump up RT engagements. Every Khan loves the patrol, it's the baseline of what we do. I commit to stepping it up.
#4) As a general rule, I try to recruit scrubs instead of killing them. If they refuse, then they are killed. Better a soldier for than a soldier against. We've had many successful recruits from this method; If more Khans followed this route, and allowed random scrubs to live ON THE CONDITION that they have registered on our forums; We would still keep our player hunting namesake, honor, AND end up with more recruits.
#3) Stopping recruitment is a bad idea. Even with an open door, training, and great people coming in, we still struggle to put up the numbers against SW/UV swarm on a regular basis. And lets be honest, swarm is the game; and most if not all veterans are spoken for already. The only way to recruit veterans is to make our faction appealing when their own crumbles. UV is almost there, and a shift to RT/away from Forum warring will both take some time. So there aren't many available veterans anytime soon.
If we don't continue to recruit, we will simply end up with less and less players in the TS. Less patrols, and less people working under the Khan flag. That's not going to get us where we want to be.
Think about all the recruits you've seen in the last 60 days. Now apply a restricted recruitment process and remove any of them who were considered "scrubs" at some point in that time. we'd have HALF the active members we have now, and no build-up of potential.
The Khanscription process works; and Khanscription is the life-blood of the Khans, however frustrating it can be. True scrubs wash out. And lets be honest, the primary person pushing Khanscripts into the door is me; and I haven't been doing much of it in the last 2-3 weeks. The recruitment ban has essentially already been in place for that time and it doesn't work. Frustration with our strength is as much a lack of skillsets, as it is a lack of new Khanscripts. We talk about members having a hard time winning with double the numbers. Our odds sure as hell aren't going to improve if we go in even; and especially if we don't even have khanscripts to Train.
This all goes back to the beginning. Remember, we have always been the outsiders in reloaded; and we've built a faction of predominantly new community members.
Never forget that we're all volunteers too; and life comes and takes people; often our best; if not to say the million other types of electronic entertainment.
BOTTOM LINE Lets keep doing what we do well. Lets Reorganize and commit to what we need to improve Lets shift our focus as discussed; and be loud about it
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Akiray
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Post by Akiray on Feb 15, 2016 18:20:11 GMT
The game being made as it is, there is no reason for seasoned players to be in thr wastes making scrubs pretty much the only target. Sad but true...
Shifting focus on keeping dominance on Reno, wh and glow is a good idea. Sadly, this game is small.. So opportunity for growth is pretty limited by that fact alone.
Khans would be much bigger if a larger game was played, khans organization is second to f:ing none. One of the best run gaming organization I have ever been in.
I know many love fonline, I do too.. But if you really want big numbers I personally doubt Fonline is the place.
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Gargantua
President
Tyranny, Terror, and lawless violence
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 15, 2016 18:28:15 GMT
Knuckle,
It's a choice between recruiting or not; and if Scrubs are the only available resource. We either farm it, or we die. There aren't other choices. We are the only constantly growing faction in reloaded and we need to stay that way.
The bulk of active Khans came as scrubs into the organization. As Aki says - it's a small community. There isn't a list of available veterans waiting around.
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Dr. Mengelito
Khan Raider
Raiding for Newton!
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Feb 15, 2016 18:34:25 GMT
I've seen proof there where 80 bots online at the same time on Reloaded. We've sifted through all the scrubs 3-4 times now and absorbed what talent there was, for real. I agree on 3 of 4 points here but even for the last point we need to refocus from patrols into the smaller pvp areas reno, glow, wh.
Frustration in the core is the problem here, frustration because of the scrubs and it's been going on for a long time. There isn't enough talent in this small community for these open recruitment strategies and it's choking the core like weeds in a rosegarden.
EDIT: We aren't growing, we've gone down from a server dominant swarm til the point where we can't get 10 guys together for towncontrol even when it's announced beforehand.
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