Bison
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Post by Bison on Feb 15, 2016 18:38:28 GMT
Knuckle, It's a choice between recruiting or not; and if Scrubs are the only available resource. We either farm it, or we die. There aren't other choices. We are the only constantly growing faction in reloaded and we need to stay that way. The bulk of active Khans came as scrubs into the organization. As Aki says - it's a small community. There isn't a list of available veterans waiting around. Selective recruitment & improving current member skill set is rather important.
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Dr. Mengelito
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Feb 15, 2016 18:42:25 GMT
We've been busting our asses trying to get people good. People are not frustrated without a reason, they've gone to the length of their patience and ability to try this strategy out. We are sifting through mud here looking from gold where there is only rocks to be found.
When we bust our asses it should increase our rep. and grow us not wear us out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 18:48:09 GMT
Knuckle, It's a choice between recruiting or not; and if Scrubs are the only available resource. We either farm it, or we die. There aren't other choices. We are the only constantly growing faction in reloaded and we need to stay that way. The bulk of active Khans came as scrubs into the organization. As Aki says - it's a small community. There isn't a list of available veterans waiting around. No offence Garg I say this out of respect and discussion not raging. But your hardly in teamspeak. You don't understand how annoying it is when the teamspeak gets flooded with noobs and pricks out of 20 pricks recruited only 1 is good. We are also dealt with the training of them and they leave after 2 weeks. half the guys recruited are infiltrated us. The forum spamming thing I know khans are hated but we never back our words up on forum, players won't join us because they think we are jokes letting anybody in. I play this game to have fun and to PvP, I'm not getting it at the moment only fustraighten with having dicks joining and leaving.
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 15, 2016 18:48:34 GMT
I don't know that I'd call Rhombus, Patiri, Herbertin, Nutt, Necrosis, DemonHunter, OldmanHenderson from the last month or so "rocks in the mud".
But if that's how you feel, then we'd have precisely 6 people instead of 13 online right now.
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Dr. Mengelito
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Feb 15, 2016 18:52:20 GMT
I don't know that I'd call Rhombus, Patiri, Herbertin, Elemenope, Nutt, Necrosis, DemonHunter, OldmanHenderson from the last month or so "rocks in the mud". But if that's how you feel, then we'd have precisely 5 people online right now. Well, point taken. But we are working on them right now, how about we limit the number of Khanscripts at a given moment? Like max 4 scrubs at the same time? Alternatively we use the Khan Recruits faction and give them their own room on Teamspeak aswell and the talent can enter our ranks.
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 15, 2016 19:04:00 GMT
Especially when you go and look at the other members we've recruited as scrubs, namely yourself Meng! or Sven, or Chris! The list gets deep.
Look I'm not trying to be difficult here, I get it LOUD AND CLEAR, we need veterans, we need great players and we need lots of them; and we need to make sure they are having a great fucking time being Khans, playing Reloaded and kicking ass.
But Guess what? Reloaded is a dying game, it's strangling the entire remaining community as it waits for wipe, and veterans don't exist outside of the factions they are already in.
We can whine about it all we want, we can get frustrated and pissed off. But that's not going to bring veterans through the door. At best I can agree with Bison that we need to change some of our reputation, to improve this perspective - but it's not going to happen over night.
I understand that no one wants bluesuits from 3 hours ago walking in through the door. But as I said, but we haven't done anything like that since before christmas.
You want to talk about activity, maybe if we had been bringing more people in, we'd have the member base we needed to match our opponents; or atleast some level of hope.
Or maybe if our faction was full of implanted loaded chars, we'd also stand a better stance. But we're not, no one has spent hours of botting to farm SE. I don't have a single implanted char; and majority of our membership doesn't either. At best a handful IF that; and we are going up against players who have 10+.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 19:04:50 GMT
Point taken,
But they won't learn if splitted up
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 15, 2016 19:05:42 GMT
Recruitment isn't the problem. Retainment and skillset are.
How do we improve retainment? How do we improve the skill sets? Those are answers I don't have.
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Dr. Mengelito
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Feb 15, 2016 19:09:38 GMT
Recruitment isn't the problem. Retainment and skillset are.
How do we improve retainment? How do we improve the skill sets? Those are answers I don't have. We could use the Khan Recruits flag for them, we could give them their own room on the TS and the drill sgts can enter there or anyone else for that matter but you'll have a choice.
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Slimeball
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Post by Slimeball on Feb 15, 2016 19:17:11 GMT
1. Recruiting is good, but we gotta NOT get shitty fuckin scrubs. the less time we train scrubs the basics- the more time we train our ability to murder.
2. More rt action, hinkley and shit is good. we need to train our listening ability, stronger focus and trained trigger fingers.
3. Organization! we need to all have some times that we know we will be on and act when our strongest have the time to.
4. Less talk, more action! i agree wholeheartedly that forum pvp as absolute garbage. its just the biggest pissing match ive ever seen in all my fucking days of lurking forums.
Lets kick of with momentum and pierce the heavens.
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Lash
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Post by Lash on Feb 17, 2016 8:48:28 GMT
Bison's right, but he's also wrong.
He's right in that recruiting scrubs (farm teams) should continue and that indiscriminate bluesuit hunting should cease. But most of the khans I knew enjoyed a little scrub hunting - it's important to let the existing members have a little fun if you want to keep them. (Aeonnix hunted scrubs religiously - I have no idea how he got exiled and frankly, I don't care to know.)
Speaking of farm teams. Most professional teams have farm teams - teams in lower leagues that borrow the rookies and the old members of the team. It's where the raw talent gets beaten into second liners and substitutes, ready to be called up to play if a main team member is unavailable. Perhaps that's an option? An affiliated, nominally independent faction where khanscripts will learn how to bootstrap and TC.
Just butting in with my unwanted two cents.
Also, Deadpool. Great movie, though the color pallette feels too Fallout 3. Khan members are Deadpool but they could benefit from taking on a younger sidekick.
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Post by Elemenope on Feb 17, 2016 13:11:29 GMT
i think going to reno and similar places more frequently is a good idea, but i don't see why we shouldn't kill everybody we find on the way, bluesuit or not :]
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 17, 2016 16:32:14 GMT
i think going to reno and similar places more frequently is a good idea, but i don't see why we shouldn't kill everybody we find on the way, bluesuit or not :] I for one am not going to tell any Khan not to shoot/troll/torture/sacrifice or harass a bluesuit/noob; but I will agree that the patrols need to shift and include to high traffic RT areas as the primary focus.
I do find Bison's comment ironic that the reason we shouldn't hunt noob's because they will eventually become competent players that hate us... whilst at the same time we shouldn't recruit them because they are noobs...
We need to follow Sven's direction - the shifted focus we've discussed here.
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Bison
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Post by Bison on Feb 17, 2016 17:32:12 GMT
i think going to reno and similar places more frequently is a good idea, but i don't see why we shouldn't kill everybody we find on the way, bluesuit or not :] I for one am not going to tell any Khan not to shoot/troll/torture/sacrifice or harass a bluesuit/noob; but I will agree that the patrols need to shift and include to high traffic RT areas as the primary focus.
I do find Bison's comment ironic that the reason we shouldn't hunt noob's because they will eventually become competent players that hate us... whilst at the same time we shouldn't recruit them because they are noobs...
We need to follow Sven's direction - the shifted focus we've discussed here.
Recruiting scrubs is hard work, they don't listen and fuck up a lot. Let some one else do the hard work and recruit them when they are effective.
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Feb 17, 2016 17:55:27 GMT
I'll agree with that Bison;
Member raiding
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