B0wcaster
Exiled 
Your death means nothing to me... My karma is unaffected...
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Post by B0wcaster on Jan 18, 2016 19:06:17 GMT
Hello Brothers. I think we need to clear a few thing up.
I didn't leave Khans. Garg suggested to me that I "Chinese Wall" my time between my family at TKs, and my friends in CCM. I have taken leadership back so that I may reform them into true mercs, and possible get my friends to work with my family.
And I've been accused of taking everyone's car and gear. Well it wasn't me. Heartbreaker took the gear under my orders when he was in CCM, Months before I joined. He told CCM a few weeks after he joined TKs that he was leaving CCM, and having to quit playing because he was getting married. When I found out that he was the one who took the gear, I told him to give it back. I talked with him in TS and he said he was still loyal to me. I told him I was a khan, and had a change of views. he logged out, and i haven't seen or heard from him since.
I've admitted to Garg that my intentions were bad when I first joined, but my heart changed the more I was with you. I also admitted to him that I leaked some info my first few days of joining, like patrols, when and where they were happening, and if a flare was ours or not. I never gave numbers, or names.
Once i realized this is my family, my blood, i put 100% into the faction. I did patrols, i helped in TC and Reno and Ares when my computer would let me, I did a flare daily until i started working on the PnP. I stayed active on forums, and always logged in to TS. I joined other games with other members just to be supportive and have fun.
I've washed my hands of past sins, aired everything out. told the proper people, didn't start drama. I announced me taking over CCM again so nothing was hidden.
Right now I'm feeling like I've been betrayed by my family for fulfilling my goals. but despite the fact that you exiled me, I still love you guys, and your still my family.
I'm saddened that I'm forced to leave this way.. But should any of you need a Merc, B0wcaster will work with Khans for free.
Long live Bison! Praise The Mighty Gargantua!
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Post by Patrick Leon on Jan 18, 2016 21:50:14 GMT
Still, you could have given a shout about your change of mind (here on forums at least) before you've posted anything on the reloaded forums, embarrassing us openly.
You've blaming us for "betrayal", yet you made your "family" look like a third choice!
Next time, do some thinking before you act and do the apology stuff before you humiliate your former buddies
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Gargantua
President 
Tyranny, Terror, and lawless violence
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Post by Gargantua on Jan 18, 2016 22:22:24 GMT
Bow,
I have set you as a Mercenary. Not an exile.
For the record, Bow and I had extensive talks about his future and his goals. What he says is true. He came forward, cleaned up the past, did his part to repatriate us with some items, and did his part to contribute to this community AFTER reneging his false intentions at the beginning.
Membership in Khans vs CCM has been an understandable struggle for him, and the last of the discussions we had, he was leaning towards returning to CCM honorably, whilst supporting us as a Mercenary if/when required, and being engaged in our community -beyond- the game. A different kind of membership.
Unfortunately this move was not expressed well with the short post he made on the Fonline forums, and B0w owns up to that. He's also owned up to his early infiltration work etc etc.
I accept the removal of his chars from in game bases/facilities, but I encourage him to be retained as mercenary status will full team speak access, and encourage his involvement beyond Fonline. It will be this way until such a time that CCM ends or B0w leaves it fully.
I also accept and respect b0ws honesty. I hope you will all do the same.
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Dr. Mengelito
Khan Raider 
Raiding for Newton!
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Jan 18, 2016 23:21:31 GMT
I was not informed about any special arrangements or talks and acted according to the Khan Law. I do have a contract for the CCM if they are up for it though.
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Spawn
Raider Captain 
Long Live Bungo!
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Post by Spawn on Jan 18, 2016 23:22:07 GMT
This is my opinion on the matter. FUCK THIS PVE NOOB FFS HE WASNT WORTH ENOUGH TO BE KHAN AND IVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG. INB4 B0WCASTER SAYS: "DUD WE WERE FRIENDS OMG HOW U SAY DIS" Khans=Family NonKhan=Enemy ez as dat my mang
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Bison
Right Hand 
General. M. Bison.
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Post by Bison on Jan 18, 2016 23:35:44 GMT
I'm removing MERC status, that status is for those fighting for Khans entirely on reloaded.
If he wanted to be a Khan then he would be a Khan. Pretty simple...
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Gimper
Raid Commander 
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Post by Gimper on Jan 18, 2016 23:39:53 GMT
I knew there was an explaination. And most of you were Hitlers about it. See, this is why things don't get resolved because people are too quick to make decisions on their own. And knuckle got the thread locked in a matter of minutes. We couldn't even discuss it. There is ONE leader of the Khans and he has the final say. I think we shouldn't be so hasty to make choices all on our own. We should wait for more input before taking initiative.
No hostility intended to anyone. Take it as constructive criticism.
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Gimper
Raid Commander
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Post by Gimper on Jan 18, 2016 23:49:43 GMT
I'm removing MERC status, that status is for those fighting for Khans entirely on reloaded. If he wanted to be a Khan then he would be a Khan. Pretty simple... As we've stated before, khans aren't ONLY about reloaded. Why would we exile a brother who still wants to enjoy our company and be part of out brotherhood? Diablo, pen and paper, DayZ.... Fuck reloaded to be honest. On another note, In all due respect to all parties, there has been a shit ton of power-hunger going on in the khans lately. It seems that some people think they have as much/more power as Garg. Decisions being made alone, counter decisions being made against the leader... This is getting hectic to the point where I feel uneasy. |
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Bison
Right Hand
General. M. Bison.
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Post by Bison on Jan 19, 2016 0:03:35 GMT
It has never been policy for members to play or lead different factions on our active game. If he wanted to be a Khan he'd be one, it can't be more simple.
Edit: I don't see why he can't play games with Khans, but there won't be none of this crew hopping while i sit in right hand. Once I'm done in this position you guys can run it differently.
As a Brotherhood we must be all for the clan, having ties or alternative loyalties will never work out. If you want to be a Khan just be a Khan, we will be here long after reloaded and once CCM and Reloaded is over and he realises that this is his home he can commit entirely..
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Post by Patrick Leon on Jan 19, 2016 12:02:16 GMT
In all due respect to all parties, there has been a shit ton of power-hunger going on in the khans lately. It seems that some people think they have as much/more power as Garg. Decisions being made alone, counter decisions being made against the leader... This is getting hectic to the point where I feel uneasy. My thoughts exactly Gimper. Certain people who were known for being neurotic factionhopper themselves but accusing others of having the same way, in the same time breaking their own made rules and shilling for higher ranks and powers. Makes me sometimes feel at unease too. I think the inner leading circle should decide who gets merc and who gets exiled and what thread gets locked etc., and we always use to discuss things, why not in this case? Still, he made his choice. No need to sperg all over him tho (Soul & Spawn;] ), he was neither insulting nor badmouthing anyone nor angry at you. |
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Gimper
Raid Commander
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Post by Gimper on Jan 19, 2016 15:41:46 GMT
Well I was NOT referring to Bison about being power hungry. I was talking about 2 others specifically. No need to mention names, I'm sure it will be sorted out soon enough.
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Spawn
Raider Captain
Long Live Bungo!
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Post by Spawn on Jan 19, 2016 16:37:50 GMT
In all due respect to all parties, there has been a shit ton of power-hunger going on in the khans lately. It seems that some people think they have as much/more power as Garg. Decisions being made alone, counter decisions being made against the leader... This is getting hectic to the point where I feel uneasy. My thoughts exactly Gimper. Certain people who were known for being neurotic factionhopper themselves but accusing others of having the same way, in the same time breaking their own made rules and shilling for higher ranks and powers. Makes me sometimes feel at unease too. I think the inner leading circle should decide who gets merc and who gets exiled and what thread gets locked etc., and we always use to discuss things, why not in this case? Still, he made his choice. No need to sperg all over him tho (Soul & Spawn;] ), he was neither insulting nor badmouthing anyone nor angry at you. You do not know our history therefore I have every right to splerg all over him  )) |
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Gargantua
President
Tyranny, Terror, and lawless violence
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Post by Gargantua on Jan 19, 2016 16:42:43 GMT
To clarify:
#1. There isn't a power struggle -The chain of command is clear and controlled.
One of the things that makes The Khans strong and stable, is that it's officers are entrusted with authority and responsibility, the power to act on their own when and as required. They are implicitly trusted to carry actions out, to prevent leadership gaps or mistakes, and to ensure the security of the organization first.
Quite specifically it's the Right Hands job to step in when he is concerned about a decision made by the Leader. It is his duty. The Right Hands only concern is the namesake and well-being of The Khans.
It would be Hitlarian for the leader to act on his own, without question, and without the respect of his officers, even when he harbors the right to do that. Thus the discussion occurs behind closed doors, between the officers, the leader, and the right hand. With the security of The Khans considered first-most (hence the current exile status).
#2. B0wcaster. Bison's right on a number of levels concerning b0w's move, and the only dispute here is the difference between Merc and Exile status. Bison and I currently have different interpretations of those roles. That is all that is being discussed here, and once we've confirmed which interpretation we want to proceed with, that's exactly what we will do.
#3. Vile, Gimp, thank you both for speaking your mind. Open format, and the right of every raider to say his piece freely, is a core component of our organization.
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Gimper
Raid Commander
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Post by Gimper on Jan 19, 2016 16:53:52 GMT
#1. There isn't a power struggle -The chain of command is clear and controlled. Well I guess I spoke out of context. I was NOT talking about Bison. I was more referring to in game decisions. My self and a few others would like to talk about this subject when we have an officer meeting with the leadership. |
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Post by Patrick Leon on Jan 19, 2016 18:32:23 GMT
#1. There isn't a power struggle -The chain of command is clear and controlled. Well I guess I spoke out of context. I was NOT talking about Bison. I was more referring to in game decisions. My self and a few others would like to talk about this subject when we have an officer meeting with the leadership. Who said I was talking about Bison. I can't remember Bison to ever change the faction in the time span I'm aware of nor him ever breaking his own rules. Concerning what Garg said, by all respect, It's not my concern IF there's a chain of command, rather WHO exactly is part of it. And I certainly don't mean people who play here for >1 year. My 2 cents. Guesses and speculations are always welcome. And about topic, he did leave faction and started writing about it on reloaded main before he'd inform most of us, then makes his thread. Pleaaaseee, what else is there to discuss. If he wants back at some point, well maybe try in a year or two, but then who wants to play in a faction where people can freely come and go as if it's a backyard (without even bidding farewell). Also Spawn was constantly saying that he didn't do anything at all then AFK in channel, I don't see how such a person can't be interchangeable, and even if he was honest about his earlier ways and plans, the utilitarian sum is still negative. |
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