Fear
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Post by Fear on Nov 27, 2015 20:33:08 GMT
"Giant changelog" are you tripping? The last changelog was "giant" and nothing changed when it came to quick leveling. Every faction but UV (who tried to masscollect junk/ores but failed as they got PK'd or robbed or intercepted in other ways) leveled the usual way, and even the nabfactions managed to reach level 24 quicker by conservative means, aka NPC grinding. I really doubt much about the main leveling mechanics will change. Maybe there will be a few quests that help you get the first levels quicker, but thats no wonder and should be that way as there's no other way farming wise then to sperg geckos or giant rats. But if it comes to the rest it will be the usual grind2shine, so don't speculate about newer means yet, better make a plan for yourself and adjust it. Besides nobody knows how big that changelog will be in the end. Only rumors for now and corrosive's talks. Dont mean to sound jerky but you are wrong. BBS all used junk exploit and it was how they had all got high lvl chars before most others. You can get lvl 28 after about an hour of junk collecting(from lvl 1). All you need is deagles and crafting profession and correct build. Last wipe didnt bring many changes and everyone knew that going in since kilgore said it would just be availability of weapons/armor/implants mostly that was changing balance. Last changelog was not giant compared to the new one and nobody said it was. I've seen part of corosives changelog about 5ish months ago. It mostly was just concerning quests and the new karma system and it was 17 pages long. Believe me or dont, doesnt matter to me. His changelog pales in comparison to kilgore docan and wipes changelog since they had about a year headstart on him and already knew what they were doing. This isn't even counting the many small contributions from other guys and mojuk who usually does a good amount. Regardless, changelog size wasnt my point. I'm simply saying quests will be more rewarding and I said in my last post it may or may not change strategy. You guys can all do as you like, but I personally see no reason to make a bunch of effort to make a big guide of how to get setup fast before you even know if it is the best way to do things. Just my 2cents. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 10:08:56 GMT
Having some type of game plan will be a big khantributor to us being succesful. I highly doubt they will have some quest that gives out an amount of experience that is highly beneficial over kill centaurs or junk collecting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 13:48:53 GMT
"Giant changelog" are you tripping? The last changelog was "giant" and nothing changed when it came to quick leveling. Every faction but UV (who tried to masscollect junk/ores but failed as they got PK'd or robbed or intercepted in other ways) leveled the usual way, and even the nabfactions managed to reach level 24 quicker by conservative means, aka NPC grinding. I really doubt much about the main leveling mechanics will change. Maybe there will be a few quests that help you get the first levels quicker, but thats no wonder and should be that way as there's no other way farming wise then to sperg geckos or giant rats. But if it comes to the rest it will be the usual grind2shine, so don't speculate about newer means yet, better make a plan for yourself and adjust it. Besides nobody knows how big that changelog will be in the end. Only rumors for now and corrosive's talks. Dont mean to sound jerky but you are wrong. BBS all used junk exploit and it was how they had all got high lvl chars before most others. You can get lvl 28 after about an hour of junk collecting(from lvl 1). All you need is deagles and crafting profession and correct build. Last wipe didnt bring many changes and everyone knew that going in since kilgore said it would just be availability of weapons/armor/implants mostly that was changing balance. Last changelog was not giant compared to the new one and nobody said it was. I've seen part of corosives changelog about 5ish months ago. It mostly was just concerning quests and the new karma system and it was 17 pages long. Believe me or dont, doesnt matter to me. His changelog pales in comparison to kilgore docan and wipes changelog since they had about a year headstart on him and already knew what they were doing. This isn't even counting the many small contributions from other guys and mojuk who usually does a good amount. Regardless, changelog size wasnt my point. I'm simply saying quests will be more rewarding and I said in my last post it may or may not change strategy. You guys can all do as you like, but I personally see no reason to make a bunch of effort to make a big guide of how to get setup fast before you even know if it is the best way to do things. Just my 2cents. I agree with Fear on this. Reason being, all you gotta do is work together within the faction, thats all you gotta do. When i was in BBS we all farmed stuff, and made caps straight away. as long as you are together you can achieve stuff as fast as possible. There is no need for a guide, look i can do a guide here straight away simple, level char up, easy floaters and centaurs or collect junk, Craft basic weapons to farm with, Farm NCR Army together get good armors and repair, Farm Bounty Hunters, BOS to get Super stims, weapons, Farm Enclave, Store items in tent or base. in 2 days you will be PVP ready give or take (last time i was ready in couple of hours). You can even take a town as fast as possible to get caps All you have to do, is just work together that's it plain and simple  |
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Post by Patrick Leon on Dec 4, 2015 14:04:10 GMT
You forget I've been there too.
And yes, there were some who farmed and masscrafted with junk, but not all. Some grinded for basic gear while other grinded cents/floats.
Point is like Knuckle said, it should be carefully coordinated, as there are multiple ways that should all be used and that works only with teamwork. I doubt that sole junk collecting is effective, especially for lone people.
Regardless of what fear or anybody for that matter says, having a plan ready is certainly NOT a waste of time, neither ingame, neither irl. Chances favor the prepared.
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Dec 4, 2015 16:07:32 GMT
As I have stated - I need someone to own our post wipe planning. To be the lead on it.
I can assist with it, set some direction, and we're certainly preparing our group of people; but the buck has to stop with one individual.
Any volunteers?
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Dr. Mengelito
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Dec 4, 2015 17:55:41 GMT
You forget I've been there too. And yes, there were some who farmed and masscrafted with junk, but not all. Some grinded for basic gear while other grinded cents/floats. Point is like Knuckle said, it should be carefully coordinated, as there are multiple ways that should all be used and that works only with teamwork. I doubt that sole junk collecting is effective, especially for lone people. Regardless of what fear or anybody for that matter says, having a plan ready is certainly NOT a waste of time, neither ingame, neither irl. Chances favor the prepared. I made a character untagged and brought it up with close combat, first aid, outdoorsman, loner and "skilled" and brought it up with junk to lvl 16 in 6h with the rules that I couldn't trade with vendors, everything was to be rt, no help from anyone allowed. using junk and the safehouse from the ranger perk. Could easily get it to lvl 30 in 8h. Did this a week ago just to see how fast I could do it because I've never had to work for stuff myself. |
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Fear
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Post by Fear on Dec 4, 2015 19:55:58 GMT
Well I never said not to have a plan. Just have to make sure it is an effective one rather than an obsolete one because a bad plan can hurt more than help. Like Kilgore just confirmed that builds will be totally different post wipe so making a plan for builds right now wouldnt be the best.
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Post by Patrick Leon on Dec 4, 2015 20:38:28 GMT
I made a character untagged and brought it up with close combat, first aid, outdoorsman, loner and "skilled" and brought it up with junk to lvl 16 in 6h with the rules that I couldn't trade with vendors, everything was to be rt, no help from anyone allowed. using junk and the safehouse from the ranger perk. Could easily get it to lvl 30 in 8h. Did this a week ago just to see how fast I could do it because I've never had to work for stuff myself. Yea, now try this in the same situation where everybody does it and you suddenly have more then one problem. |
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Spawn
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Post by Spawn on Dec 4, 2015 20:59:05 GMT
I could help coordinate the post wipe. I personally believe we should focus on our roles. We need people farming specific things. Such as Brahmin hides for Trappers and junk and ores for books medical components etc. At the end of the day these things will always be valuable.
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Gargantua
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Post by Gargantua on Dec 4, 2015 21:02:17 GMT
Lets discuss what we know won't change.
1. We need our faction name/base secured.
2. The cities (amounts) are likely to stay the same, and in the same locations - meaning we will want a TC network established quickly
3. Our people resources will be critical - the more the merrier!
4. Vehicles will still have to be purchased (and we are considering bottlenecking/camping this resource)
Any other constants?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 8:06:01 GMT
Lets discuss what we know won't change. 1. We need our faction name/base secured. 2. The cities (amounts) are likely to stay the same, and in the same locations - meaning we will want a TC network established quickly 3. Our people resources will be critical - the more the merrier! 4. Vehicles will still have to be purchased (and we are considering bottlenecking/camping this resource) Any other constants? Look to be honest, we are thinking to much into it, I agree, yup get the base name as fast as possible ok yeah that is fine, i know you guys wish to take towns as soon as possible to rack in the benefits of having caps early on within the game. But seriously why the big rush? for me just take your time plan while you are doing it, most players will always be quicker then others. you will loose a lot of players new players if people rush things, i really think you should take your time and establish yourself at a good pace not have everything rushed. The first few weeks of the wipe, many old players will return but disappear again, the place will be over populated hard to do certain things. I think just work as a unit, farm weapons, get your private bases sorted, get all the gear you need, help others to achieve this within our faction community, in this time experiment with builds until others are ready. Take our time, once completed then think about taking town controls, then start thinking about PVP. Town Control - Real time combat should be last on the list while starting up seriously otherwise you will make it un-fun for yourself or others if things do not go to plan, For example there will be many fucking quests to do, other things that Kilgore has implanted within the game and i gotta be honest i really wanna check them out before i even start thinking about PVP. i wish to learn the game more before we do town control, PVP. To top it all of this will draw more players to our faction because we are having fun with the game, we are not rushing it. From experience it is better to learn the new stuff they admins have implanted before rushing a head making builds that could turn into useless chars. Guys my point is that many things will get implanted with the new wipe, i suggest that we find out what they are first, how the game will work, what we can and cannot do, this will only be explained when the wipe is announced. Let us enjoy the game and stop panicking about the wipe take it how it is, experience it before going onto the other options such as town control and PVP get ourselfs established first, teach the new guys how to play shit like this. Remember these wise words - make the foundations before laying the bricks, otherwise it will start to show cracks and eventually fall down with a great smash and we will have only our self to blame.
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Dr. Mengelito
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Post by Dr. Mengelito on Dec 9, 2015 8:49:34 GMT
Wise words.
I'm with Knuckle on this one.
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Vehemence
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Post by Vehemence on Dec 9, 2015 10:39:48 GMT
All I know is that I will be crafting constantly in the beginning and probably be TC/PVP ready within 2 days.
That being said, it will take me about a week to level 2 builds.
Whatever caps I make day one will be put into a pool and be used to buy the Khan name. Whomever has control of said activity should probably set up a tent with maps so trusted personnel can drop caps there for not only the buying of the faction name, but for the accrual of gear, weaponry, etc.
As many have said, we may be thinking way too much into this in some people's eyes, but I am a huge fan of a gameplan in a sense.
There is nothing wrong with being well organized. We have to think that our damn opposition will surely be on their toes from day one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 13:27:12 GMT
All I know is that I will be crafting constantly in the beginning and probably be TC/PVP ready within 2 days. That being said, it will take me about a week to level 2 builds. Whatever caps I make day one will be put into a pool and be used to buy the Khan name. Whomever has control of said activity should probably set up a tent with maps so trusted personnel can drop caps there for not only the buying of the faction name, but for the accrual of gear, weaponry, etc. As many have said, we may be thinking way too much into this in some people's eyes, but I am a huge fan of a gameplan in a sense. There is nothing wrong with being well organized. We have to think that our damn opposition will surely be on their toes from day one. ok i agree with being on there toes from day one, but bare in mind to be organized we shouldn't rush in to things, learn about the game first before we make stupid mistake. to be organised is building the foundations of the faction after the wipe getting people involved more important then worrying about other factions like i mentioned you must play as a unit. First week don't worry about PVP learn game first so we are not humiliated that is all i am saying. Played this type of game far to long now, i know what to expect |
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